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> Organization: NCAR/CGD > Keywords: 199406091630.AA07008 Hi Dennis, > I have been asked to write a one page > "position paper" for our group, the > CLimate Analysis Section, for consideration > by the people who will decide which format > to use for future archiving by the climate > models. > > I will let u see it before I send it it. > I will be simple. As I stated in my previous email > it is between GRIB and netCDF. Howwver, I would like > to say a few things about HDF. I have asked Dennis > Joseph about HDF and he says his knowledge of that > format is rudimentary. Do u know where I can get > a "non-technical" overview of HDF? In a nutshell, > what do u think of HDF? pros-ncons? Yes, below is a recent answer to a very similar question from Ken Schroder at BB&N. (Incidentally, you can find this and other information about HDF and netCDF by using Mosaic. Just look at the netCDF home page at http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/packages/netcdf/. Then enter "hdf" in the first searchable index of answers to netCDF support questions. When you hit return, you get a menu of all previous support answers to netCDF questions that contain the word HDF, sorted by the messages that contain the most occurrences first. Just click on the first of these and you get the answer I've appended below. It doesn't always work this easily, but it can be a useful way to get information that doesn't appear in formal documents.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ First, here's the official answer from the netCDF FAQ at http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/packages/netcdf/faq.html 7. What is the connection between netCDF and HDF? The National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) developed the HDF software and makes it freely available. HDF is an extensible data format for self-describing files that was developed independently of netCDF. Applications and utilities based on HDF are available that support raster-image manipulation and display and browsing through multidimensional scientific data. The HDF software includes a package of routines for accessing each HDF data type, as well as a lower-level interface for building packages to support new types. HDF supports both C and Fortran interfaces, and it has been successfully ported to a wide variety of machine architectures and operating systems. HDF emphasizes a single common format for data, on which many interfaces can be built. NCSA has implemented software that provides a netCDF interface to HDF. With this software, it is possible to use the netCDF calling interface to place data into an HDF file. The netCDF calling interface has not changed and netCDF files stored in XDR format are readable, so existing programs and data will still be usable (although programs will need to be relinked to the new library). There is currently no support for the mixing of HDF and netCDF structures. For example, a raster image can exist in the same file as a netCDF object, but you have to use the Raster Image interface to read the image and the netCDF interface to read the netCDF object. The other HDF interfaces are currently being modified to allow multi-file access, closer integration with the netCDF interface will probably be delayed until the end of that project. Eventually, it may be possible to integrate netCDF objects with the rest of the HDF tool suite. Such an integration will then allow tools written for netCDF and tools written for HDF to both interact intelligently with the new data files. We met with the HDF developers a couple of years ago to see if some sort of synthesis or combination would be desirable and practical. What came out of that was NCSA's decision to try to add the netCDF interface to the set of interfaces layered on top of the HDF format. HDF originally had a simpler interface for scientific data, but the NCSA developers liked the netCDF interface better. There are significant performance differences between the two implementations of the netCDF interface, with each significantly faster than the other for some kinds of operations. HDF emphasizes a single common format for data, on which many interfaces can be built. NetCDF emphasizes a single common interface to data, implemented on top of an architecture-independent representation. There is a WWW page containing an overview of HDF and links to lots more information about it. Just point your Mosaic or other WWW server at: http://yahoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8001/ (The yahoo host is often overloaded, so you will have to be patient or lucky to get the above link to work.) Please let me know if you have additional questions about HDF and netCDF. __________________________________________________________________________ . Russ Rew UCAR Unidata Program address@hidden P.O. Box 3000 (303)497-8645 Boulder, Colorado 80307-3000