[IDV #MKR-443485]: stereo support on idv 5.0

Hi Al,

After doing quite a bit of research you have unfortunately run into a unrelated
problem that we are ourselves coming to terms with. In particular, the IDV
(nightly) will not run under certain combinations of Windows 10 and older
hardware.

If possible can you describe your hardware in some detail. Specifically, what
graphics card is installed on your system. Can you also tell us if you have two
graphics cards on your computer? Your system was probably upgraded to Windows 10
at some point. Is this true?

Best,

Unidata IDV Support

> Hi Support,
> I downloaded the nightly build and installed on my machine but it will not
> open, whether stereo=True or False (it gets part way there and hangs on the
> "Loading Defaults" phase).
> Best,
> Al
> 
> address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Al,
> >
> > We recently updated the version of Java 3D distributed with the IDV. Would
> > you mind testing the nightly build:
> >
> > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/downloads/idv/nightly/index.jsp
> >
> > If that does not work, you can try the IDV nightly with the visad.jar we
> > tested (unsuccessfully) earlier.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Unidata IDV Support
> >
> > > It is a standard method for stereo display, where the monitor/projector
> > > flips at, say, 120 Hz between the left-eye's view and the right-eye's
> > view
> > > of a scene. The viewer wears "active" shutterglasses, which obscure the
> > > left and right eye in synchrony with the monitor's display (synchronized
> > > through an infrared emitter, in my case;  I use nVidia's 3Dvision
> > > hardware). This creates the illusion of stereo viewing.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > -Al Hermann
> > >
> > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Al,
> > > >
> > > > Can you explain what "frame-flipping stereo" is?
> > > >
> > > > Apart from that, I will bring this topic up at our next telecon with
> > SSEC.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Support,
> > > > > Thanks for the tip, but I get the same result as before, that is,
> > IDV 5.3
> > > > > opens but yields no frame-flipping stereo. I did install IDV 4.1 on
> > my
> > > > > latest Windows10 desktop (with it's embedded vidad.jar), and it works
> > > > fine
> > > > > in stereo.
> > > > > Any more suggestions are most welcome.
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Al Hermann
> > > > >
> > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a huge shot in the dark since I have no hardware to test
> > this
> > > > > > feature on
> > > > > > and even if I did, I may not have any other ideas, but here goes.
> > At
> > > > this
> > > > > > URL,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://motherlode.ucar.edu/repository/entry/show?entryid=
> > > > > > 484d181e-5358-4453-8166-cb6b191d31a2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you will find a visad.jar file. This is a one-off visad.jar that
> > > > replaces
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Canvas3D with the WrappedCanvas3D referenced in the forum
> > discussion.
> > > > > > Please
> > > > > > download that file and the latest stable version of the IDV. Once
> > the
> > > > IDV
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > been installed, inside the IDV directory (wherever it was
> > installed)
> > > > you
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > find a visad.jar. Please replace that visad.jar file with the one
> > you
> > > > just
> > > > > > downloaded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At this point, make the modifications to the runIDV script to run
> > in
> > > > > > stereo. (I
> > > > > > assume you know how to do this since you do it for 4.1.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What happens???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks! I have continued to use immersive 3D with IDV 4.1 for
> > > > scientific
> > > > > > > outreach at high schools, museums and conferences, through a
> > portable
> > > > > > > system (laptop, external graphics card enclosure, 3D projector,
> > > > > > > shutterglasses). It is a great outreach tool, which really grabs
> > the
> > > > > > > attention of the audience. It would be great to deploy the latest
> > > > > > features
> > > > > > > of IDV 5 (the enhanced float tracking capabilities in
> > particular) on
> > > > this
> > > > > > > portable immersive system.
> > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We will bring this topic up at our next Unidata/SSEC
> > > > teleconference to
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > the workaround suggested in
> > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/Java3D-stereo-td4029914i20.html can be
> > > > > > > > incorporated into
> > > > > > > > VisAD.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the prompt response. Does this mean that you will
> > be
> > > > > > testing
> > > > > > > > > those workarounds, or is it up to the user (me) to test them
> > > > (and if
> > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > this feasible with the present download of IDV)? I am not
> > > > conversant
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > java myself, but may have some local colleagues who could
> > help me
> > > > > > > > decipher
> > > > > > > > > the process.
> > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Al,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Java 3D API, currently maintained in limited capacity
> > (at
> > > > > > best),
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > fewer
> > > > > > > > > > and fewer open-source contributors as the years pass.
> > > > Therefore, I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > terribly optimistic this will ever see the light of day
> > again.
> > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, the
> > > > > > > > > > mailing list thread referenced below does have some new
> > > > information
> > > > > > > > > > concerning
> > > > > > > > > > this topic as of last year though requiring workarounds
> > that
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > tested with the IDV.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > Just checking in again on the IDV stereo issue. I have
> > > > > > downloaded the
> > > > > > > > > > > latest version (IDV 5.3), but still cannot get stereo to
> > > > work. I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > get stereo using IDV 4.1, but no version since then has
> > > > > > functioned
> > > > > > > > > > > correctly in stereo mode. Has there been progress on the
> > J3D
> > > > > > front?
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your support.
> > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Albert,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry about that.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overly liberal use of copy and paste.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks much for pursuing this. Just noting that I am
> > not
> > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > > > (but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he is another user interested in the same issue)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brett,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand this issue, the problem lies with
> > bugs
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > java.awt. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted messages to the Java 3D and awt-dev lists
> > > > hoping to
> > > > > > > > revive
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ultimately find a solution.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/
> > pipermail/awt-dev/2014-
> > > > > > > > > > > > December/008787.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://forum.jogamp.org/
> > Java3D-stereo-td4029914.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unidata IDV Support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello IDV support,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a longtime fan of idv, and have frequently
> > used
> > > > it
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereo-immersive rendering of surfaces via
> > Windows
> > > > PC. I
> > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded version 5.02 of idv, and found the
> > stereo
> > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works. I have used the same procedure as in prior
> > > > > > versions,
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enableStereo=true in the idv.bat file. My older
> > > > version
> > > > > > (idv
> > > > > > > > 4.1)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > continues
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to work well in stereo, so I am not sure what has
> > > > > > changed. I
> > > > > > > > did
> > > > > > > > > > > > find in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the recent archives that IDV support stated the
> > > > > > following:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "...the enableStereo information is passed to
> > the J3d
> > > > > > layer
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much control
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the IDV interface."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this broken feature an obscure java 3d issue?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the time being I will continue to use 4.1,
> > but
> > > > would
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upgrade if stereo can be fixed for 5.0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any additional information or
> > suggested
> > > > fixes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Al Hermann
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Ticket Details
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Ticket ID: MKR-443485
Department: Support IDV
Priority: Urgent
Status: Open
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