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>From: "Rob Dale" <address@hidden> >Organization: Skywatch Services >Keywords: 200404092020.i39KKUCT029700 IDD .com Rob, re: It is not our business to advise you to embark on such a venture. Unidata has no interest in competing with the commercial sector for your data business. >By .com I was not referring to a pay structure -- just making certain that a >.com could still get a feed from a .edu which I now see is okay. I just wanted to be clear on Unidata's position. re: DVB-S NOAAPORT ingest system >I do like that option - I was not aware it was that cheap. Current NOAAPORT ingest systems use EFData SDR-54A satellite modems which are expensive (approx. $2500 list) and have limited bandwidth (T1 per modem). A 4-channel NOAAPORT reception system uses $10000 worth of EFData modems. No wonder they are expensive! Not only that, but the particular EFData modems are now obsolete!! From my point of view, the reasons that the NWS is moving towards DVB-S technology are: - EFData SDR-54A modems are expensive, can handle limited bandwidth, and are now obsolete - DVB-S technology is cheap: DVB-S receivers cost between < $100 to up to a couple of thousand $s (military grade). One of the units that the NWS has been testing is the NOVRA S75, a unit that currently costs about $320. - DVB-S technology has higher bandwidth: DVB-S can carry up to a T3 of data >So other than the dish (6ft or 12ft?) that is all you would need? You need software to read the data output from whatever receiver you use. >Is there anything special needed on the software side other than LDM? Yes. We (Steve Chiswell) developed a module we use in our NOAAPORT ingest systems that reads the output from a module that reads from the particular hardware doing the ingest (e.g., EFData or NOVRA S75). The code that reads from particular hardware was developed by Mike Schmidt and me (PTI334 which is connected to the EFData) and Doug Smith (NOVRA S75). A block diagram of the system is then: dish PTI334/ hdlcrecv/ readnoaaport \ NOVRA dvbsmi \ | +-----+ +-------+ +----+ +---| -> | HW | -> | SW | -> | SW | ------> LDM queue -> IDD | +-----+ +-------+ +----+ / / Unidata-developed ingest systems are the units supplying NOAAPORT data (IDS|DDPLUS, HDS, NNEXRAD, NIMAGE) to the IDD. The current "operational" systems (Unidata is non-operational) read from a PTI334 high speed serial card which, in turn, is connected to EFData modem(s). Our next generation ingest systems will use DVB-S technology as soon as the NWS turns it on operationally. This is now scheduled for the beginning of February, 2005. We have had a DVB-S system working on the NOAAPORT test broadcast (on the vacated GOES-West channel) since last November. I installed a system at the Universidad de Costa Rica in San Jose, CR last month. It (igor.ucr.ac.cr) works like a champ! We are contemplating making a web page that briefly describes what we have developed and making the code available -- with NO support --. re: IDS|DDPLUS data would be useful >I agree - I've been playing with it today and it clearly has what we're >looking for. re: there has been no [UPC] effort spent in developing an LDM-6 version that would run natively under Windows. >There is now - I've already had people working on Linux EMWIN tell me they >are going to look at Windows LDM instead. Very cool! re: Please let us and the LDM community of users know what you learn :-) >Will do! Prior to looking at this I was able to reformat EMWIN data into a >'simulated' LDM product by automatically adding a header / footer to each >product with the AFOS control characters so GEMPAK software would read them, >and using telnet I connected to the NWWS weatherwire Internet feed and >ingested that direct into LDM. If that's of interest to anyone let me know. You never can tell what the community will be interested in. I can say, however, that one person's successes invariably get adopted and expanded by other users. That is what an active, involved community is all about! >I've established a mailing list for those working on this project -- anyone >can jump in by sending a message to address@hidden >with 'subscribe' in the subject line. I just subscribed to this so I can get an idea of what you are up to. Cheers, Tom -- NOTE: All email exchanges with Unidata User Support are recorded in the Unidata inquiry tracking system and then made publically available through the web. If you do not want to have your interactions made available in this way, you must let us know in each email you send to us.