lightning data

  Thanks David, I will use the address@hidden email from now on.

  Perhaps you were confused by my .com email address, the lightning data
has always stayed within the umich.edu domain, I keep the .edu and .com
parts of my job totally separate, except I send email to ldm-users from my
.com address since I don't want to have to subscribe twice to ldm-users in
order to be able to post to the group.  wunderground.com has never used
the IDD get lightning data, and never will. 

  If this .com/.edu confusion is not the case, is there really a problem
with an IDD relay site getting lightning data from a failover site? Since
umich was not able to get lightning data from our primary, I went to a
failover site. I thought this was acceptable with the IDD framework. 

Jeff
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, David J. Knight wrote:

> Jeff,
>     As you know I just got out of a thesis defense.
> Your request came after I went in. Please send all
> computing requests for Albany to address@hidden.
> 
> But we have another problem here.
> The agreement with GDS that allows us to freely distribute
> lightning data to Unidata Universities stipulates
> that the recipients of this data not redistribute
> it in *any* form. It is to be used for research
> and education *only* within the institutions that
> receive it. While I assume you and Pete are
> living by the spirit of the GDS agreement,
> you have violated the letter of the agreement.
> 
> If this is occuring elsewhere in the IDD system,
> and GDS finds out about it, it is quite likely
> that they will rescind our agreement to distribute
> this data. This is proprietory data and GDS requires
> that tight control be maintained on how it is used
> and distributed (Too bad in my opinion but that is
> another matter). It would be unfortunate if UAlbany
> was prevented from freely providing this data to Unidata
> Universities. 
> 
> Please everybody, lets not get free and loose with this data
> it is too valuable a resource to our community to risk loosing.
> 
> Thanks
> David
> 
> > 
> > yin.engin.umich.edu is now getting the MCIDAS feed from
> > unidata.ssec.wisc.edu, and I am grabbing the lighting feed from
> > sunset.meteor.wisc.edu until I hear back from Albany.
> > 
> > So, yin is now a fully functional IDD machine. I will have to work with
> > our new sysadmin to get the stats mailed to UNIDATA, though, that is not
> > being done yet.
> > 
> > Jeff
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> > \`\`\
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> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Pete Pokrandt wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > In a previous message to me, you wrote: 
> > > 
> > >  >
> > >  >The machine is getting the DDPLUS and HDS data, but is not yet
> > >  >permitted to get MCIDAS and lightning data. I have just made the
> > >  >requests to Chad Johnson at SSEC and David Knight at Albany to modify
> > >  >their ldmd.conf files and have yin.engin.umich.edu permitted to
> > >  >grab the data from their machines. Until this happens, users of the
> > >  >umich.edu relay site may want to failover to an alternate site instead
> > >  >of yin.engin.umich.edu.
> > > 
> > > Anyone who was feeding from blueskies or aldehyde who wants
> > > the full feed is welcome to feed from our top level feed at
> > > sunset.meteor.wisc.edu. I've got the full feed, including an 
> > > on-campus link to the McIDAS feed from SSEC 8 floors down.
> > > 
> > > Just drop me an email with the machine you need me to ALLOW and I'll
> > > be happy to set you up.
> > > 
> > > Jeff, I've also ALLOWed yen.engin.umich.edu also, if you want to get
> > > the data from me until you hear back from the sources.  As soon
> > > as all the ldm processes stop and it's restarted you're ready to go,
> > > should be like 5 min or so.
> > > 
> > > Pete
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > +>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<+
> > > ^ Pete Pokrandt                    V 1447  AOSS Bldg  1225 W Dayton St^
> > > ^ Systems Programmer               V Madison,         WI     53706    ^
> > > ^                                  V      address@hidden       ^
> > > ^ Dept of Atmos & Oceanic Sciences V (608) 262-3086 (Phone/voicemail) ^
> > > ^ University of Wisconsin-Madison  V       262-0166 (Fax)             ^
> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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From: Pete Pokrandt <address@hidden>


In a previous message to me, you wrote: 


David, Jeff, and all,

You are correct.. In my efforts to try to help minimize the data outage
for Umich and their downstreams, I forgot that the NLDN data all goes
to everyone directly from Albany, and is not fed downstream to others.
Guess I just got caught up in the 'hey I can help here!' attitude that
we all seem to get when there are problems somewhere along the IDD.

Sorry for the mishap, and the error in judgement..

Pete


 >Jeff,
 >
 >But we have another problem here.
 >The agreement with GDS that allows us to freely distribute
 >lightning data to Unidata Universities stipulates
 >that the recipients of this data not redistribute
 >it in *any* form. It is to be used for research
 >and education *only* within the institutions that
 >receive it. While I assume you and Pete are
 >living by the spirit of the GDS agreement,
 >you have violated the letter of the agreement.
 >
 >If this is occuring elsewhere in the IDD system,
 >and GDS finds out about it, it is quite likely
 >that they will rescind our agreement to distribute
 >this data. This is proprietory data and GDS requires
 >that tight control be maintained on how it is used
 >and distributed (Too bad in my opinion but that is
 >another matter). It would be unfortunate if UAlbany
 >was prevented from freely providing this data to Unidata
 >Universities. 
 >
 >Please everybody, lets not get free and loose with this data
 >it is too valuable a resource to our community to risk loosing.
 >
 >Thanks
 >David
 >


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^                                  V      address@hidden       ^
^ Dept of Atmos & Oceanic Sciences V (608) 262-3086 (Phone/voicemail) ^
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Jeff etal,
> 
>   If this .com/.edu confusion is not the case, is there really a problem
> with an IDD relay site getting lightning data from a failover site? 

Unfortunately there is a problem with this. GDS explicity
prohibits us from allowing the data to be relayed. They
require that all feeds originate from UAlbany (believe me I
I wish this wasn't the case. We feed over 50 Universities
and it would make much more sense to use the tree/relay
model that the rest of the IDD enjoys)

> Since
> umich was not able to get lightning data from our primary, I went to a
> failover site. I thought this was acceptable with the IDD framework. 

I think this is true for all the IDD feeds except
NLDN NIDS DIFAX and perhaps ACARS.

David

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Pete et al,

> Guess I just got caught up in the 'hey I can help here!' attitude that
> we all seem to get when there are problems somewhere along the IDD.

That is one of the best things about the IDD!!!
The sense of community and cooperation is wonderful.


> Sorry for the mishap, and the error in judgement..

No problem. I just thought I'd better take the opportunity
to remind people. It really would be a shame if one
of our sites messed up and caused everybody to lose.

David