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Re: 19991115: IDD Slowdowns

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Subject: Re: 19991115: IDD Slowdowns
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:59:08 -0700 (MST)

On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Tom McDermott wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Robb Kambic wrote:
> 
> > This is a hard question to answer for certain, but he's a suggestion. When
> > the latencies are high, check the latency at Cornell.  The topo/latencies
> > are at :
> > 
> > http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/projects/idd/status/idd/fosTopo.html
> 
> I have this page on my desktop permanently, and I'm always reloading it to
> check on the status.
> 
> > Currently:
> > 
> > snow.cit.cornell.edu 6.0 Minutes
> >        ldmhost.dri.edu unknown
> >           satellite.usask.ca unknown
> >               tornado.usask.ca unknown
> >           monsoon.colorado.edu 0.1 Minutes
> >           coldwave.dri.edu unknown
> >           sift.dri.edu unknown
> >           climate.dri.edu unknown
> >        shear.cit.cornell.edu unknown
> >        vortex.weather.brockport.edu 8.6 Minutes
> > 
> > Brockport is only 2.6 minutes behind.
> 
> A question about this display : am I right in assuming that any descendent
> on this tree must have a time >= and really > than any ancestor? 
Tom, 

Yes, if the system time is correct.

 Thus the
> 0.1 min figure for monsoon.colorado.edu can't be correct since its
> grandparent Cornell is already at 6.0 minutes, and hence must be an
> artifact of the stats reporting system.

monsoon doesn't have machine time correct. Some sites set the time but
it's not updated with xntp so it slowly becomes inaccurate. Actually some
sites with the wrong time lose data because of the discrepancy.

> 
> > You can also do an ldmping to Cornell at different time during the day.
> > If you discover that it's the network, contact your network folks or ISP
> > when the latencies are the highest.  On the otherhand, if you are only a
> > couple minutes behind Cornell then further investigation into the latency
> > tree or thelma's ingestion will be necessary. Currently the NOAAport
> > ingestion is 1-2 minutes behind, thelma is about 45 minutes behind.
> 
> So that would mean thelma or the means by which thelma receives NOAAPORT
> is experiencing some sort of problem?
> 
UCAR is doing some router changes that I believe is the problem with
thelma, this should be temporay. 


> I use ldmping as well but its usefulness is limited.  It tells you there
> is a problem in the network conncetion somewhere (either that or the host 
> is down), but you knew that by the time you're issuing the command.
> 'traceroute' at least gives some indication of where the problem might be.
> 
That's true, I use traceroute a lot.

> Basically using the web page I can see that if Cornell is just a couple of
> minutes behind, whereas we are 61 minutes behind, then the problem is in
> the connection between us and Cornell (and in fact will usually be caused
> by bandwidth saturation on our internet connection).  Then to confirm that
> I look at Albany's time.  If it's only a little behind Cornell, then the
> problem is likely our connection; otherwise it would indicate a NYSERNet
> problem.  But if Cornell and the other top level nodes are 59 minutes
> behind, then the problem is certainly further upstream.  I then check
> Cornell's ldmd log page and see if it's being RECLASSed by its feed.
> 
> Certainly our main problem here at Brockport is that our bandwidth is
> maxed out, since we are being RECLASSed by Cornell and thus losing data at
> most hours of the day, except on weekends and between approx 1AM and 9AM
> local time on weekdays.  So I'm trying to document this situation to
> establish a case for getting our network capacity increased ASAP. 
> We can't go on like this with missing or delayed data.  But I know the
> problems aren't exclusively at this end, esp. when ingest ceases entirely
> usually between 19Z and 21Z, which happened a couple of times last week.
> So trying to separate out these factors motivated my original question
> about problems within NOAAPORT.
> 
I'm unaware of all the outages of NOAAport you are talking about. No other
sites have mentioned any except the one last week. thelma is feed directly
by the NOAAport ingestor, with a backup feed from SSEC, that is backup up
by Alden. Most of the connections are vBNS.  I'm sending an attachment
with the thelma latencies for the WMO feed.  The last 2 numbers in the
lines are the latencies, 1st is average for hour and the second is the
max. 5@2730 means 5 seconds at 27 minutes and 30 seconds after the hour. 
I have rebuilt the queue a couple of times that causes the high
latencies.ie Today's rebuild at hour 14-16. Most of the average times are
less than sec, not too bad. Hopefully when the UCAR changes are done, the
time will be stable.

Robb...

> Tom 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tom McDermott                         Email: address@hidden
> System Administrator                  Phone: (716) 395-5718
> Earth Sciences Dept.                  Fax: (716) 395-2416
> SUNY College at Brockport
> 
> 

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Robb Kambic                                Unidata Program Center
Software Engineer III                      Univ. Corp for Atmospheric Research
address@hidden             WWW: http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/
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