Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.

We (College of DuPage) too are experiencing very slow nomads downloads. Here is our traceroute:

From: address@hidden <address@hidden> on behalf of Bob Lipschutz - NOAA Affiliate <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 11:45 AM
To: Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal
Cc: Bentley, Alicia M; Michael Schmidt; David Hartzell - NOAA Affiliate; address@hidden; _NCEP.List.pmb-dataflow; _NOAA Boulder NOC; Daes Support
Subject: Re: [conduit] Large CONDUIT latencies to UW-Madison idd.aos.wisc.edu starting the last day or two.

Carissa,

As you know, we've been reporting slow-to-very-slow ftp downloads from NCEP to NOAA/ESRL/GSD in Boulder for some time, including occasional rates as low as Patrick's .4 MB/s. At the moment, my curl download of a GFS 0.25 deg file to /dev/null is running about 2-4 MB/s (~1-2 minutes to download). That's a fraction of what we might expect over the NOAA NWAVE connection. And, given that our route is independent of Internet2 and external ISP paths traversed by UCAR and others, this would seem to suggest an issue within the NCEP FTP/HTTP dissemination environment...

Bob Lipschutz

NOAA/ESRL/Global Systems Division

IT Services/Data Services Group

303-497-6636

p.s. Here's our traceroute:

traceroute ftp.ncep.noaa.gov

traceroute to ftp.ncep.noaa.gov (140.90.101.61), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets

1 137.75.129.1 (137.75.129.1) 0.274 ms 0.288 ms 0.307 ms

2 140.172.2.137 (140.172.2.137) 0.169 ms 0.153 ms 0.147 ms

3 2001-mlx8-esrl-bb.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.253.254) 0.310 ms 0.336 ms 0.376 ms

4 radio-rtr-xe-4-2-0-0.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.2.17) 0.400 ms 0.439 ms 0.435 ms

5 dsrc-rtr-xe-5-2-1-0.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.2.26) 0.325 ms 0.365 ms 0.391 ms

6 rtr.boul-xe-1-2-0.boulder.noaa.gov (140.172.3.206) 0.366 ms 0.418 ms 0.327 ms

7 tge-0-0-0-3.2.rtr2.denv.nwave.noaa.gov (140.172.88.16) 43.899 ms 43.902 ms 43.887 ms

8 tge-0-0-0-0.rtr.denv.nwave.noaa.gov (140.172.70.18) 44.035 ms 44.016 ms 44.022 ms

9 140.172.70.48 (140.172.70.48) 43.164 ms 43.182 ms 43.396 ms

10 140.208.63.29 (140.208.63.29) 43.398 ms 43.381 ms 43.385 ms

11 140.208.63.30 (140.208.63.30) 85.863 ms 85.899 ms 85.798 ms

12 140.90.111.36 (140.90.111.36) 91.453 ms 64.929 ms 64.878 ms

13 140.90.76.69 (140.90.76.69) 51.341 ms 51.680 ms 51.270 ms

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Carissa Klemmer - NOAA Federal <address@hidden> wrote:

Patrick,

So from the looks of your screen grab that is 7 minutes to download the 0.25 GFS from our FTP server. Do you have ideas of how slow that is compared to normal from Colorado? I will be passing this information on to our IT folks.

Carissa Klemmer
NCEP Central Operations
Dataflow Team Lead
301-683-3835

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Patrick L. Francis <address@hidden> wrote:

All,

Something bigger than just CONDUIT users occurred on the 19th. We had numerous users of other servers complain of similar drops in transfer rates. A few of them were also able to move downloads to a new location where speeds were normal. We believe that this issue was outside of NCEP due to that reasoning. Having said that though, is anyone still seeing abnormal rates?

Hi Carissa J

From our Amazon location in VA, everything is fine as it was on Friday… From our colo facility, packet loss is still shown via 140.90.111.36, which is the hop from gigapop to ncep.. here is an MTR showing the packet loss:

http://drmalachi.org/files/ncep/he-ncep.2016.02.22.jpg

Notice that since our colo is directly on the Hurricane Electric backbone, there are only a few hops to get to the ncep server, and pings only jump once they reach gigapop.

Here is a screen cap of current download speeds for 0.25deg gfs from the ncep server to our colo:

http://drmalachi.org/files/ncep/he-ncep.wget.2016.02.22.jpg

In order to ensure proper delivery, we have setup a push / pull from our amazon box to the colo, but most people probably won’t have that flexibility.. The issue appears to potentially be related to packetfiltering and / or redirection / funneling via certain routes, but that’s just a guess J

Happy Monday J

Cheers,

--patrick

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