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Gilbert, > To: Unidata Support <address@hidden> > cc: address@hidden > From: Gilbert Sebenste <address@hidden> > Subject: Re: 20040221: Help! LDM on weather3.admin.niu.edu going crazy... > Organization: UCAR/Unidata >Keywords: 200402212235.i1LMZlrV009065 The above message contained the following: > You see, I was testing out a NWWS feed from David Magee, just to see if I > could ingest it. Bingo! It worked. He sends it out under the "PPS" feed. > > Problem. > > Whenever a zone forecast comes in on my machine, it runs a script called > "prepend_file" to append the incoming forecast to a particular file, such > as "TX.feb23". Basically, it just does a "cat" and appends the output to > the end of the file. No biggie. > > BUT... > > When the NWWS feed was running, I was getting *two* of those hitting the > script at the same time...one from NOAAPORT, the other from NWWS. Odd. The product-queue module of the LDM won't insert a data-product with the same signature (i.e., MD5 checksum) as one that's already in the product-queue. Could it be that David Magee's ingester isn't computing the MD5 checksum the same way as the NOAAPORT ingester? > Thus, the "prepend_file" script went into an endless loop. I finally > discovered that this morning, along with 6 billion copies of the state > zone forecast in there. It just did a repeated dump of the forecast > until disk space was full. Assuming that you only have one pqact(1) process active, then the two identical data-products should be sent serially to the standard input of the "prepend_file" script (assuming their signatures differed) rather than simultaneously. This should result in two data-products being appended to the file rather than the script going into an endless loop. > Lovely. > > Now, I am not sure if this IS the cause of the problem. But: > > 1. It only happened with state zone forecasts, as that is the only data > that uses that script > > 2. The other larger file sizes I saw with the hourly weather roundups > were due to multiple copies of those products being sent over NWWS, a > known problem Assuming that these data-products all have the same signatures, then only one should be inserted into your product-queue and, subsequently, retrieved by the pqact(1) process. > 3. The problem began on the day when I changed my NWWS feed to read PPS, > not GPSSRC. My guess is that PPS *is* the same as "IDS|DDPLUS", PPS is a subset of IDS|DDPLUS because DDPLUS is a composite of DDS and PPS. The NOAAPORT textual data-products have the feedtype IDS|DDPLUS because we can't tell which specific feedtype should be associated with each data-product -- unlike the old days when each feed each had its own channel. Hence, we give the data-product the union of all possible feedtypes and postpone full identification to pqact(1) and the LDM decoders. > which might throw the product into an endless loop, especially if > you're running a script on it. In other words, if you request PPS, you > also get anything under IDS|DDPLUS. For the reason given above, all textual NOAAPORT data-products will match the PPS feedtype (as well as any combination of the feedtypes DDS, PPS, and IDS). > So, that script had to deal with 4 copies from NOAAPort, > plus one from the true PPS feed, all at once. Mee-yow. I don't understand. Why four copies? And duplicate products should be eliminated by the product-queue module. > Yep, it just worked. I see that my Texas zone file, just erased, has come > back with 7 KB instead of 2 GB like it was doing on the very first > product. > > Wowsers! Now, here's the fun part: this morning, for the first time, it > also filled up the hard drive on weather.admin.niu.edu, BUT weather2 was > fine. Huh? I thought duplicate products weren't sent? The product-queue module only allows one data-product with a given (MD5) signature. > Also, I was NOT ingesting PPS on weather. But if my hunch above was > right, yes I was. Which doesn't explain why weather bombed and > weather2 was fine. Oy. Because the amount of data doesn't seem consistent with even a five-fold increase due to duplicate data-products, I suspect that the problem lies with the decoder script. > Anyway, thanks for your help over the weekend. I certainly wasn't > expecting that to happen. The funny thing is, when I did an "ldmadmin > watch", I couldn't see "PPS". I guess it was being renamed "IDS|DDPLUS" as > it was coming in. If the IDS|DDPLUS NOAAPORT data-products were inserted into your product-queue before the PPS data-products from David Magee and the MD5 signatures are computed correctly, then you wouldn't see any "PPS" data-products from an "ldmadmin watch" because the product-queue module eliminates duplicates and the pqmon(1) utility that underlies the "ldmadmin watch" command reads from the product-queue. > I'll watch it to make sure nothing else happens. But I think it's OK now. > > ******************************************************************************* > Gilbert Sebenste ******** > (My opinions only!) ****** > Staff Meteorologist, Northern Illinois University **** > E-mail: address@hidden *** > web: http://weather.admin.niu.edu ** > Work phone: 815-753-5492 * > ******************************************************************************* Regards, Steve Emmerson LDM Developer