[IDV #VRB-317344]: Conversion of infrared data to temperature

Awesome - best of luck Ben!

> OK, Sean.  I'll make those changes after my report is finished.  Right now, 
> everything works, so I can get the job done... that's the key and I can't 
> risk changing something and having it break.
> 
> So, I'll try the rest of these changes in a week or two.  Will also try McV 
> soon.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Ben
> 
> On May 22, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> 
> >> What does vecmatg do?
> >
> > vecmath.jar is probably the part of Java3d that contains the linear algebra 
> > routines needed to do 3d visualization. I've learned a bit more about how 
> > the IDV and Java3D play on Macs (kudos to Don Murray). It looks like the 
> > java3d library stuff in ~/Library/Java/Extension is installed by the IDV 
> > (if "Install for this user" is selected when prompted to install JOGL). 
> > Somehow, our copies of the Java3D libs were changed (another package 
> > installed an older copy of J3D maybe?), and we were unable to run the IDV. 
> > I would suggest removing everything from ~/Library/Java/Extensions, and 
> > reinstall the IDV and allow it to put in the latest version of java3d (make 
> > sure to use 'Install for this user" and not for the entire System). Mac 
> > ships with an older version of Java3D that does not play well with the IDV 
> > (which is likely what you are using right now). It works, but things will 
> > go downhill when you try to resize windows, as well as some other issues.
> >
> >>
> >> I'll give McV a shot, too.
> >
> > I just reinstalled McV and it works now too.
> >
> >>
> >> FYI, this is all on the Mac, not the Parallels XP machine running on top 
> >> of it. Tried that, it ran but soon crashed. Not sure why.
> >
> > There are some issues with OpenGL and DirectX calls being made from inside 
> > a virtual machine (which is why not all computer games will run inside a 
> > VM). I've heard tale of the IDV running inside of a VM, but it took a 
> > specific virtual machine manager and a specific flavor of Linux. The option 
> > to run inside a VM is looking promising, but it's not quite there on the VM 
> > software side.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >>
> >> On May 21, 2012, at 11:37, "Unidata IDV Support" <address@hidden> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Great news. I would also remove vecmath.jar (I actually removed 
> >>> everything in that folder - so far, nothing negative). I don't think any 
> >>> part of the MacOS uses java3d, but if it does, I'd be surprised if it 
> >>> relied on something in your home folder (MacOS tends to keep its system 
> >>> VMs - like Java and Python - separate from what users access as well as 
> >>> the users particular home directory).
> >>>
> >>> Also, have you given McV a shot since modifying the contents of 
> >>> ~/Library/Java/Extensions?
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>> Sean,
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I took the plunge, downloaded the latest IDV and deleted those two 
> >>>> java3d jar files, then started IDV3.0U2.  No re-install of the OS, 
> >>>> though.
> >>>>
> >>>> That seems to have done the trick!  IDV is working normally so far.  Now 
> >>>> I'm going to start pushing things a bit further in terms of the data 
> >>>> being read in (size of zidv files) and what I'm trying to do (overlay 
> >>>> flight tracks on satelite, radar and METAR data).
> >>>>
> >>>> Fingers crossed!
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 21, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Greetings Ben!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings back at you Sean,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First, thank you very much for continuing to work this problem.  I 
> >>>>>> really appreciate it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Reinstalling the OS, eh?  That seems a little scary to me.... never 
> >>>>>> done it, but I could give it a try.  The new machine is running Snow 
> >>>>>> Leopard, not Lion.  I suppose that the result would be the same.  Do 
> >>>>>> you agree?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would think it would be the same, but I'm not sure. At the very 
> >>>>> least, I'd check out what, if anything, lives in 
> >>>>> ~/Library/Java/Extensions
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the short term, I'm limping along on the older machine, running 
> >>>>>> IDV2.7.2 on Snow Leopard.  I've got a big report due in about a week 
> >>>>>> and can't afford to have anything go weird on my machine until that 
> >>>>>> deadline's passed, so I'm going to wait until that's done before 
> >>>>>> considering reinstalling the OS.  Hope you understand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best wishes on that report! Have you tried updating to the latest IDV 
> >>>>> on your old machine (3.0U2)? Since the IDV uses your system Java, 
> >>>>> installing the new version won't hurt anything, and the performance 
> >>>>> will likely only get better with the newest release (there have been a 
> >>>>> lot of major memory improvements / bug fixes since 2.7.2).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another thought.  This machine also runs Windows XP on Parallels on my 
> >>>>>> new machine.  Maybe I could try to run IDV on there if your solution 
> >>>>>> doesn't work out on my new machine?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have not tried the IDV on Parallels, but it's worth a shot - again, 
> >>>>> it wouldn't hurt anything to give it a try (well, except the 10-15 
> >>>>> minutes to fire up the VM, install the IDV and see how it goes). 
> >>>>> Sometimes the 3D performance on a VM can be lacking, but I've heard 
> >>>>> good things about Parallels. If you give it a shot, please let me know 
> >>>>> how it turns out!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sean
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks again,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 20, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greetings Ben!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was finally able to get the IDV going again on my machine (still 
> >>>>>>> getting CGContextGetCTM and CGContextSetBaseCTM error, but they 
> >>>>>>> *seem* harmless at this point). It took two steps. First, I had to 
> >>>>>>> reinstall the OS. On Lion, I was able to just reinstall the System 
> >>>>>>> files without the need to reinstall all of my personal stuff (OS 
> >>>>>>> restore by holding command+r on restart and following the onscreen 
> >>>>>>> prompts). I also found an old copy of Java 3D (newly installed - I 
> >>>>>>> guess from a recent update?) in my home directory in 
> >>>>>>> ~/Library/Java/Extensions - I actually removed all of the stuff in 
> >>>>>>> there and, in combination with the OS reinstall (to completely 
> >>>>>>> refresh the java JRE), I was up and running again. Maybe check in 
> >>>>>>> ~/Library/Java/Extension to see if there are java3d jars and see what 
> >>>>>>> happens if you removed them?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> IDV2.7.2 at least starts up on the old machine.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 18, 2012, at 10:54, "Unidata IDV Support" <address@hidden> 
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, not yet. I spent a good chunk of time yesterday 
> >>>>>>>>> trying to get things worked out on my machine, and I was unable to 
> >>>>>>>>> make progress. We tested a mac that hadn't been updated in a while 
> >>>>>>>>> and the IDV worked fine...we updated it, and the IDV spit out some 
> >>>>>>>>> warnings, but still ran. It looks this does not affect every Mac. 
> >>>>>>>>> I've found a few things online regarding this kind of error, and it 
> >>>>>>>>> looks like its affecting more than just the IDV and Java3d based 
> >>>>>>>>> applications. I'm hoping Apple will address this soon!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have access to another machine? I hate to say it, but that 
> >>>>>>>>> may be the best bet for now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on these IDV & McV issues?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -------
> >>>>>>>>>> Ben C. Bernstein
> >>>>>>>>>> Leading Edge Atmospherics, LLC
> >>>>>>>>>> 720-771-3324 (cell)
> >>>>>>>>>> http://icingweather.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Greetings Ben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded McV and could not get it to run on my system either 
> >>>>>>>>>>> (OSX 10.7.4, Java 1.6.0_31). When I try to run from the command 
> >>>>>>>>>>> line, I get errors like this:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> May 17 08:28:06 micromac java[5507] <Error>: CGContextGetCTM: 
> >>>>>>>>>>> invalid context 0x0
> >>>>>>>>>>> May 17 08:28:06 micromac java[5507] <Error>: CGContextSetBaseCTM: 
> >>>>>>>>>>> invalid context 0x0
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> and McV freezes at the "Loading Defaults" screen. When I run the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> IDV, I get the same kinds of errors on the command line, but it 
> >>>>>>>>>>> still starts up...except the Display screen is missing! I'm 
> >>>>>>>>>>> getting Java3D errors, which is preventing the IDV display from 
> >>>>>>>>>>> popping up. After digging around a bit, it seems as though a 
> >>>>>>>>>>> recent Mac update has 'killed' Java3D applications (it's a bigger 
> >>>>>>>>>>> problem than the IDV or McV). I'm still digging around to see if 
> >>>>>>>>>>> there is a solution to this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running 1.6.0.29
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have an ADDE account with SSEC now, but can't seem to get IDV 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to talk that account when I tried it a few times yesterday.  
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Figured that I'm doing something wrong... never tried this 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> approach before.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think that I should re-install McV or might Java be the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issue?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2012, at 6:49 AM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version of Java are you using (from the command line: 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> java -version)? Also, McV is pretty much IDV with some 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> additions, so if IDV runs, than McV should run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The reason I suggest McV is because it comes bundled with the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ADDE server, which does the calculations on the raw files to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert them into things like IR brightness temperatures. When 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you access satellite data through the IDV satellite chooser, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you connect to a remote ADDE server. Then, when you select a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> product to view, the ADDE server will do the necessary 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> calculations before sending you the data to view. When reading 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the raw data off of disk, you need a local ADDE server to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> active the same functionality, which is why McV bundles the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ADDE server. I think page two of this pdf explains how to do 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this in McV:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/mcidas/software/v/docs/SatelliteImagery1.01.pdf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I go to run McV, it launches then freezes every time.  I 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a fairly old version on this machine, so I downloaded the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest version and it does exactly the same thing.  Perhaps 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling McV and reinstalling from scratch would help?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you feed that McV is the way to go for this case?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Unidata IDV Support wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings Ben,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McV is the way to go for this case. What kind of issues were 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you having getting McV to run? I ask because many of the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines at SSEC are Macs running Snow Leopard, so it's odd 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it won't work for you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have downloaded some GOES-13 imager AREA files from NCDC's 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CLASS site,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to get a look at the visible and especially the IR 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> images for a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of days in November 2010.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using the IDV, I am able to read and plot these fields, but 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the data
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are raw.  I can deal with this for vis imagery because it's 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still possible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look at the images and get a feel for how bright they 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.  However,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to try to view the actual temperatures from the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long-wave IR and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know how to do that when all I have are the raw value 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for channel 4.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOAA's website
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.oso.noaa.gov/goes/goes-calibration/gvar-conversion.htm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides equations for converting the raw values to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperatures, but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how can I apply such equations in IDV so that I can 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate/convert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the raw ch-4 values to temperatures then display them?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an alternative data source or method of plotting would be 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a better
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice than the CLASS/IDV combination that I've chose, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please let me know.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a backup, I tried to use McIDAS-V for this task, but 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't even get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the software to run on my machine (Mac OSX10.6.8).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps GINI data could work?  I haven't been able to find a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good archive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of that, though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Bernstein
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Ticket ID: VRB-317344
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