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Hi Jerry, et. al, Quick follow-up to my comment that the C/N as seen on (one?) your Novra S300N is terrible: I believe it was in the fall of 2014 that we contacted you when fighting our own NOAAPort ingest problems. I think that I remember that during those email exchanges someone in the Data Center told us that you were seeing C/Ns in the high 16 ranges (I think I remember 16.7, for instance). If my memory is correct, then it would seem that something significant has changed in your NOAAPort ingest setup. Exactly what this might be, I can not guess. I can, however, tell you about a couple of things that we did when revamping our own NOAAPort ingest setup and hope that something strikes a cord with someone there: - the UCAR NOAAPort dish is an standard installation that was made by the NWS for COMET a number of years ago Because of this we are a bit limited as to what we can tweak at the dish. However, we did convince the COMET folks that a dish inspection and re-alignment was in order. One of the things that was uncovered by the inspection (by a company we use for our GOES-GVAR related dish issues) was a "funky" female to female connector that was in the signal path and about 15' from the LNB. The connector was taken out, cleaned thoroughly with contact cleaner, re-installed and waterproofed as part of the troubleshooting effort. - The dish-side opening of the LNB mount housing had a plastic cap that evidently was installed to keep things like paper wasps from building nests in the feed horn. We found that we could improve our C/N by at about a half DB by removing the cap. The improvement was much more when water vapor trapped in the volume inside the cap condensed to droplets. We have always been indending to put the cap back on, but I don't feel good about this given the expected C/N decrease and the notion with "don't mess with things when they are working well". - we also did an inspection of the signal cable (quad shielded RG-6) everwhere that it was visible (we did not pull it out of the extensive conduit that housed the great majority of its run) We found that the cable was in excellent condition, so that we dropped that line of investigation. - I ran a number of tests to see if tweaking the line amplifier connected to the signal cable have any effect on number of ingest errors (number of Gap messages and accompanying number of missed frames) The only thing I found was that I could make things worse, not better. - we replaced the two Gbps switches that our two Novra S300Ns Ethernet output was connected to with much higher quality units We found that this had a positive impact on ingest quality (again, #Gaps and #missedFrames). - we stopped interrogating our Novras from multiple machines We had been running cron-initiated once-per-minute interrogations of each Novra S300N by several machines. Since cron jobs are always kicked off at the top of the minute, the effect was that a number of interrogations were being run at the same time. This turned out to be a BIG no-no. We dropped back to interrogating each Novra S300N from a single machine, and with this we saw a BIG drop in #Gaps/#missedFrames. Stonie Cooper of Planetary Data provided Novra with an ingest test bed that they could use to study how well/poorly their firmware was working. The result of the investigations was a new version of the firmware (V2R17) that supposedly got rid of most of the problems caused by interrogating the Novra S300Ns too much. Our testing did not show much improvement, but, then again, we had already worked around the interrogation-induced problem by dropping our interrogations back to once-per-minute. After all of the above, and not due to any additional tweaking, we noticed a steady improvement in C/N from the high 15s to the high 16s. The time series plots I provided in a previous email are pretty representative of what we have been enjoying for quite some time. There have been, however, some periods where the C/N will decrease at least a dB with no apparent reason. Luckily, our ingest quality during those periods have remained good, so we didn't worry about it. After we had our own NOAAPort ingest "under control" (it is never really under control), we turned our attention to the installation at LSU/SRCC. We convinced the SRCC folks that some changes were needed there, and they moved their NOAAPort ingest machine to the same building on top of which their dish is located; replace their ingest machine; upgraded the firmware on their S300N; and ran their signal cable through conduit. We would see their ingest go through periods where the total volume of data being successfully ingested and turned into LDM/IDD products would dive down to the kinds of levels that you are now experiencing on your two NOAAPort ingest machines, np1 and np2. Thinking that they had some sort of a TI source on an upper floor of the building their dish is mounted on, I worked with their system administrator to run a number of tests to see if anything could be done to firm-up their ingest. One of the tests that I asked them to perform was to remove the signal cable from the LNB and then run a continuity test on their cable. Unfortunately, or actually fortunately, the person trying to unscrew the coax connector from the LNB twisted the connection into the LNB and ruined the unit (a Norsat 3120, I believe). We sent them a spare that we had inherited from RAL a number of years ago, and it was installed on their dish. After the new LNB was in place, and concurrently with a technician there paying close attention to grounding their signal run conduit and dish, their ingest quality became as good, if not better than ours. What we took away from the several months worth of troubleshooting was that their LNB had problems/was failing intermittently, and that replacing it was the biggest thing in solving their problems. The grounding of conduit and dish was also very important, but it was not the most important thing, replacing the LNB was. Steve and I just looked at a long term look at the ingest volumes reported on np1 and np2: Unidata HomePage http://www.unidata.ucar.edu Data -> Operational IDD Status http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/rtstats/ Cumulative IDD Summary Statistics -> Statistics by Host http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/rtstats/sitesummaryindex What we think we see is that there was a significant change in the volume being ingested on both np1 and np2 sometime during the later part of February/beginning of March: np1.ssec.wisc.edu Cumulative volume summary Graph: http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/rtstats/rtstats_summary_volume1?np1.ssec.wisc.edu+GRAPH np2.ssec.wisc.edu Cumulative volume summary Graph: http://rtstats.unidata.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/rtstats/rtstats_summary_volume1?np2.ssec.wisc.edu+GRAPH So, I am of the opinion that your problem is probably being caused by a problem with your LNB. I base this comment on two things: - your C/N used to be in the high 16s - our experience with the system at LSU/SRCC If you would like to chat about this, I am available until 5 today at 303.497.8642. Cheers, Tom -- **************************************************************************** Unidata User Support UCAR Unidata Program (303) 497-8642 P.O. Box 3000 address@hidden Boulder, CO 80307 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unidata HomePage http://www.unidata.ucar.edu **************************************************************************** Ticket Details =================== Ticket ID: KUD-512290 Department: Support NOAAPORT Priority: Normal Status: Closed