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---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:05:45 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <address@hidden> To: address@hidden Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 egen... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- Message-Id: <address@hidden> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:05:49 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <address@hidden> To: address@hidden Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 <address@hidden>... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- by flip.unidata.ucar.edu (UCAR/Unidata) with ESMTP id PAA2003622 for <address@hidden>; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:10 -0600 From: Steve Chiswell <address@hidden> To: John Egentowich <address@hidden> Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable (fwd) Message-Id: <address@hidden> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:27:13 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <address@hidden> To: address@hidden Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 <address@hidden>... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- by flip.unidata.ucar.edu (UCAR/Unidata) with ESMTP id OAA2001910; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:29:32 -0600 From: Steve Chiswell <address@hidden> To: John Egentowich <address@hidden> Subject: 19990510: gdcross circ function In-Reply-To: <address@hidden> Message-Id: <address@hidden> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, The OMEG values (V component of circ) will be in mb/sec. The U component will be the tangential component of AGE in m/s. So, the two sides of the vector aren't the same units to begin with. Circ returns a vector whose U component is the tangential component of V (in your case age()) and the V component is the vertical motion. The cross sectional representation of the vectors will be scaled by the aspect ratio of the plot due to the scale exaggeration between the horizontal and vertical distances on a plot. For example, a cross section with cxstns=den>bna has a horizontal distance on the order of 2000km, while the vertical scale is on the order of 10km...so the length of the vertical vector is also exaggerated around 200:1. To see what the values of the V component (aka omeg) are, GFUNC = vr(circ(age,omeg)) SCALE = for todays' eta running CXSTNS = den>bna, shows: Grid file: $HDS/1999051012_eta_grid211.gem Date/time: f000 Vertical coordinate: pres Grid function: vr(circ(age,omeg)) Vector function: circ(age,omeg) Endpoints: den>bna Number of points: 21 Scaling factor: 10** 3 Panel: 0 LEVELS: -4.00 -2.00 0.00 2.00 4.00 COLORS: 3 3 3 3 3 LINTYP: 1 1 1 1 1 LINWID: 1 1 1 1 1 LABEL: 1 1 1 1 1 When scale is set to "blank" so the program picks its own, you see that the omeg values range from -4 x10-3 to 4x10-3 mb/sec (or roughly -4 to 4 microbars per second). If you set SCALE=0, you see that the range is -.004 to .004 mb/sec which is equivalent to the above -4 to 4 microbars. To see the U component of circ use gfunc=ur(circ(age,omeg)). As far as what symbol to use in the WIND= parameter, it really makes no since to use wind barbs- since they are a horizontal representation of wind speed- and thats not what we have here. Most likely you want WIND=an. So what would a plot look like if the omega values weren't being scaled so much? Try: GFUNC=mag(circ(age,omeg)) GVECT=vecr(ur(circ(age,omeg)),mul(vr(circ(age,omeg),.001))) My only suggestion as to how to quantify for the reader the relative magnitude of the omega and tangential ageostrophic wind is to use contours for both quantities with the vectors. Steve Chiswell Unidata User Support address@hidden On Mon, 10 May 1999, John Egentowich wrote: > Steve, > I have a quick gempak question. When I create cross sections to include > ageostrophic winds using "circ(age,omeg)" and displaying wind barbs in m/s -- > > are the vertical speeds scaled up? I get cross sections that have great > looking > ageo circulations however the vertical wind speeds are unreasonable. In > "quiet" > environments (without convection) I have vertical ageo wind speeds of 10-20 > m/s. > That can't be right unless the vertical component is scale up. Please > enlighten > me. Thanks for your help. > John > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: John Egentowich <address@hidden> > Date: 10-May-99 Time: 07:29:37 > Phone: 919-515-1437 > --------------------------------- >